"I was always going out the clubs and seeing the punk bands," she says of how the first 1981 doc came about. But eventually, as the Sunset Strip's version of metal ascended, she realized she had the makings of a sequel 1988's The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years. When Punk Was Meant to Hurt You: Penelope Spheeris' 'The Decline of Western Civilization'. I didnt think grunge would kill our shit, but it did pretty much. "It's been a year of pure hell," filmmaker Penelope Spheeris says with a laugh. I was only twenty-two when the band broke up. 2. By Kory Grow. Make sure to check out the Sidebar and FAQ, Press J to jump to the feed. Both are illegal. Interviews with leading film and TV creators about their process and craft. November 6, 2020. One of the firsts things that came up was this site, www.art-for . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Weve done three albums and were doing another one at the end of the year. For a movie about the underground punk scene, the films nearly impossible-to-find status contributed to its cult appeal. The third film, The Decline of Western Civilization III (1998), chronicles the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers in the late 1990s. The expression in the title is widely known, but the book that made it famous is little read today. Brought up in her father's travelling carnival, Penelope Spheeris was the ideal person to turn the camera on the three-ring circus that was the 80s/90s Sunset Strip scene. Ancient Greece. 8011 34th Ave S.Ste C-11Bloomington, MN 55425. Government corruption and . But for now, the filmmaker is still reveling in the films she has made and how well they hold up now. I asked Anna to come work for me because I needed help with some other things with our life here and she said, I will come to work for you but only if the first thing we do is put the Decline DVDs out,' Spheeris recalled. Or why not treat yourself? Close. It took shape in medieval Europe, with its Christian religion, feudal society . In 1998, the last in the series, "The Decline Of Western Civilization Part III", hit select theaters but was never released in any home video format. She was held in L.A. county for awhile but was acquitted for self defense as a domestic abuse survivor. Death of the Soul: From Descartes to the Computer, by William Barrett. That was difficult, because Nadir was hungry to have one of those heavy metal record deals, but chasing deals by trying to prove how metal you are wasnt where I wanted to be at. It . ', In the meantime, she busied herself with other projects including We Sold Our Souls for Rock n Roll, a 2001 documentary about Ozzfest and The Crooked E: The Unshredded Truth About Enron, a 2003 TV movie about the Enron scandal. The black guy in the wheelchair is somewhere in Nola area. Home; About; Speakers; SPONSORS; View Recordings; Privacy Policy; what happened to spoon from decline of western civilization 3 A lot of these guys were my buddies from growing up in Seattle, so I was pleased to see them getting success. The Roots of Western Civilization. Nikki Sixxs email address was in there. The films (released in 1981, 1988, and 1998) take a look at a range of . And the other day I was sittin here, thinkin, because my parents were separated when I was two. While it does try to touch on topics like sexism in the scene treatment of women is across the board horrendous the effects of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, and the prospect of not being successful, those are relatively minor asides that barely touch on their struggles. I want to go but my brain cant tell my body to move. They treated us really good, but Id been shoved into the industry for the first eight years of my adult life. mainman]? She goes: Well, he wants money. Factory. "But it's like, 'That's it, I'm never gonna be doing another box set in my whole life so I've got to get it right.'". Like hunting down a rare vinyl record or an out-of-print fanzine, scoring a copy of the 1981 documentary required a rabid degree of dedication in exchange for street cred. People really remember the movie, especially Chris Holmes drinking the vodka in the pool, and the guy from Odin sitting in the hot tub saying that if he didnt get as big as Robert Plant he was gonna kill himself. Subscribe to Paper; Sign Up for Emails; Where to Pick Us Up; Submit Stuff; Place a Classified or Legal Notice The mother-daughter duo are now working together on a fourth Decline film, which Spheeris said is still about punk, but also involves another kind of music. We participated in all of that stuff that was going on. Recent films like What Happened, . All Rights reserved. Last night I saw The Decline of Western Civilization at Cornell Cinema (everybody, go support your campus movie theater). I spent my own money on it and I couldnt get it released, you know, without a gun to my head to give up the rights to the other ones. at the Frida Cinema, 305 E. Fourth St., Santa Ana; thefridacinema.org. It was good to make a change. But as prickly as they are, all charged hair, spike-covered leather jackets, and layers of filth worn with a sense of pride, they still find joy and love with their friends, even as they recount horrific home lives, systematic abuse, and fighting white supremacists with the nonchalant resignation of the everyday. In addition to the movie specific extras, there is another disc of additional goodies to paw through, including material from all three films. I spotted troll sitting in front of a liquor store with a 32pack and pulled over and gave him a ride..i recognized him from the decline but was not completely sure since he was like 25years older and didnt want to ask..we ended up drinking with him all night then it became apparent that it really was him since people kept coming up to him and taking pictures and yelling out "the decline!" Mostly, it means that after all those years, shes finally overcome her pastand restored it to cinematic perfection. A lot of those guys are my friends, theyve either died or have moved on to something similar but better in life. See David Wrights 2015 review at Memoria Press here. Here are three that help explain what is happening with our culture. When we supported Poison in 1986 in San Diego they did not want the riser, they wanted it down. After her revelatory look at the punk scene of LA, and her follow-up on "the metal years," Penelope Spheeris took another decade to complete a trilogy of documentary films with The Decline of Western Civilization: Part III, a "social commentary of the true punk aesthetic." Chronicling the gutter punk lifestyle of teenagers and young people . Chris Holmes, the towering guitarist with W.A.S.P., was central to the films most memorable scene, in which he mugged, hammed, drank and swore his way through an interview while perched precariously on a lilo in a swimming pool, watched by his evidently bemused mother. Civilization (from the Latin civis=citizen and civitas=city) is a term applied to any society which has developed a writing system, government, production of surplus food, division of labor, and urbanization.The term is difficult to define because not all 'civilizations' include every one of the above facets. I came back from Chicago after the Pigface thing and started doing The Newlydeads with some friends here in LA. And still, others question the assumption behind the question and maintain that the . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Im not cryin about it, though, because the bottom line is I can still get on the stage, and when that first chord hits, man, Im alive again.. For decades, there were only two ways to watch The Decline of Western Civilization: buy a bootleg or download it online. The Decline of Western Civilization (1981) Penelope Spheeris and The Strain: Season 2 Has More Monsters, More Metaphors, Dougie Poole Spins the Wheel of Rules and Lands on Transcendence, Formerly Banned French Crime Film A Woman Kills Slips Out of the Shadowy Margins, A Juggernaut of Jokes: An Oral History of Silkworms Italian Platinum, Everything Everywhere All at Once and the Politics of Genre, PopMatters Seeks Film Critics and Essayists, PopMatters Seeks Television Critics and Essayists. If the subjects have changed, so has their documentarian. I didnt want to do it because I knew it would be painful. Well shortly be recording tracks for the next London album.. God instructed Adam to obey his Word . The Decline of Western Civilization comes across as much more authentic than many documentaries with similar aims. ", At a certain point, Spheeris started seeing "these guys with the torn-up jeans, bandanas and long hair with hairspray"; she and her friends would laugh at them, watching punks and metalheads brawl in parking lots. I remember hanging out with Penelope at the Cat Club in New York for the release party. The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years, "With "20,000 Leagues," the National Film Registry Reaches 700", "Complete National Film Registry Listing", The Crooked E: The Unshredded Truth About Enron, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Decline_of_Western_Civilization&oldid=1139989286, Documentary films about punk music and musicians, United States National Film Registry films, Album articles lacking alt text for covers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 17 February 2023, at 22:01. The interview includes many of the same questions . The film's title is possibly a reference to music critic Lester Bangs' 1970 two-part review of . One of the security guards started trying to get his hands on me, but our manager happened to have a nice, compact nine-millimetre pistol, pulled it out and told this guy to back the the fuck off. The Tragic Decline of Music Literacy (and Quality). Theyre skeptical of the camera, of anything that resembles the society they either ran away or were forcibly ejected from. Louder is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Steven Hanseter: Im forty-nine years old, never been a smoker, never been drunk. "You can't equivocate on the stuation.". International Man: The decline of Western Civilization is on a lot of people's minds. The director . Within a couple of days I auditioned, and got the job. Sign up below to get the latest from Classic Rock, plus exclusive special offers, direct to your inbox! They were looking for a David Lee Roth, Vince Neil type, which I was. The Decline of Western Civilization III is a 1998 documentary film that follows the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers. RhetoricinPopularCulture-BarryS.Brummett.pdf. Whether you have a nostalgic connection to the subjects, or just want to glimpse into a couple of under-examined subcultures, this is a set well worth adding to your collection. The second film, The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years (1988), covers the Los Angeles heavy metal scene of 19871988. Western societies will respond with restrictions and even bans on immigration; multi-billion dollar walls and border-patrolling drones and troops; heightened security on who and what gets in; and . Spheeris talks to homeless teenagers living on the street or squatting in abandoned buildings in Los Angeles, an unstable mother, Los Angeles Police Department officer Gary Fredo, and a paralyzed youth living on disability benefits. This is because it includes "replacement theory" as a possible motivation and would apply to anyone who writes or talks . I remember lookin out and thinking: Who the fuck is this dude dancin in the middle of the floor? Of course, it was fuckin Axl. Barrett was one of the great writers of philosophy and ideas for the intelligent layman. And because it was not my band, I really enjoyed being able to kick back a bit and be more carefree. For some reason, beginning in the late fifteenth century, the little states of Western Europe, with their bastardized linguistic borrowings from And there were all these bodyguards around and I didnt know who they were with, and it turned out to be Malcolm Forbes [multimillionaire publisher of Forbes magazine]. This much can be said, nevertheless. It is a lament on the impoverished state of modern thought and discourse that has disconnected itself from the Western tradition that sustained it until a generation or two ago. We got all our friends to come, and theyd bring their friends and it started to snowball. She means it, man, and the saddest part is that she's . And thats the part also that really upset me.. She first got the idea for The Decline of Western Civilization . But the tables have turned. You want to know the truth? I havent been drinkin since 1996. "Let me just say I think it's gonna be kind of jaw-dropping.". "They said, 'No, Penelope has to do that.' My vice was women. I do wish where was a little more about Part III. Everybody always thinks its a rights issue as to why the films arent out there but it wasnt, Spheeris said. Now on the homecoming stretch of this summers promotional tour, which included theatrical screenings across the country, Spheeris, 69, is mostly relievedshe no longer has to revisit long-forgotten footage of her goofy outfits with these funky hairdos she saidbut shes also deeply apologetic to her fans. All those years later, the films remains a rite of passagerequired viewing materialfor new generations interested in punk rock, including Foo Fighters front man Dave Grohl, who was such a fan that he got in touch with Fox and volunteered to record the DVD commentary. We stopped London/DPriest in 1992 after our manager deserted us. They just want to escape it, and in "Decline, Part III" some succeed. I keep myself active.. A website? As far as how we were and what we did, how we lived, it was pretty accurate party all the time. Decline properly introduces itself with the distorted bars of X's "Nausea" as the title card cuts to a roiling pit churned by the trunks and limbs of thrashing teenage bodies. In the Decline movie, that was what I call London 2, with Nadir DPriest as our vocalist. You want hard core? Bath "It's like, it's not bullshit . The Metal Years includes in in depth interview with Spheeris, previously unseen footage and interviews, and a commentary with the director and Nadir DPriest, singer for the band London, who figure prominently in the film. I was more interested in spending time in the gym; more a jock than a rocker. This has caused an intellectual crisis, and some Muslims saw new ideas from the West as a direct threat to Islamic identity. I thought, Well, Im just going to go do something else man, screw it. But where are they now? The Decline movies, still on a variety of different film formats, sat in an underground vault in her home, but demand for them never let up. The film was ostensibly a followup to her first documentary, 1981's The Decline of Western Civilization, which focused on an earlier Los Angeles scene, the punk of the late 70s and early 80s. And if the books themselves seem daunting, there are always great reviews of great books, which serve to give a sense of the author's point. Faster Pussycat broke up in 1993, because the whole scene had changed. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III, coming after Spheeris foray into mainstream filmmaking, directing the likes of Waynes World, Black Sheep, and The Little Rascals, is easily the heaviest of the trio. What happened in our Western world began 6,000 years ago in a gardena battle between two religions. Decline is a documentary directed by Penelope Spheeris (weirdly also the . Gone is the chaotic euphoria of the first movie, filmed in 1979, which quickly became a classic on the underground circuit for its playful, sympathetic chronicle of L.A. punk bands and the fans who loved them. Penelope Spheeris was a friend of friends, and we ended up shooting our section at The Cathouse. There were two follow ups: 1988s The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years and 1998s The Decline of Western Civilization Part III. But its Part II on which the series legend is built as well as that of the dying days of the Hollywood scene. The music is fast, loud, smart and aggressive; the kids dress the same, albeit with a few more piercings; they still brawl with skinheads and get hassled by cops. The point here is why Muslim societies have always been skeptical . It got your face out there and you got to be seen. Shellenberge agreed. They just want to escape it, and in "Decline, Part III" some succeed. He died shortly before the film was released, though the promotional images for the film and album release had been designed before his death. Also The Decline . But never say never.. This is the roughest watch of the trilogy as it . Its cheaper to live in Vegas, and theres lots of work out here and a great club scene. No one will be interested, studio executives told her. The Decline of Western Civilization III is a 1998 documentary film, directed by Penelope Spheeris, that chronicles the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers. August 19, 2020. There used to be a lot books about the decline of the West. But now that we are well on our way to everything these writers warned us about, we dont hear that expression much anymore. Doug Casey: Western Civilization has its origins in ancient Greece. That went on into the nineties, when suddenly along came the guys from Seattle. At that point my answer was, DVD is dead, its too late.'. Some days I cant get to rehearsals. The first Decline had been made for about a hundred thousand dollars with money from a couple of guys who thought I was going to make a porn movie for them, but the second one I was able to get some money from Miles Copeland [manager of The Police, owner of IRS Records]. For all of the hard exteriors and posturing, that protective layer is quick to melt away in front of Spheeris cameras, and youre reminded that these are just fucking kids, battered as they may be. In the bonus features of the DVD, there is the extended story of what happened to the painter. READ MORE:Sorry, Ladies: Study on Women in Film and Television Confirms the Worst, Penelope Spheeris, the films director, has a less romantic way of explaining the movies thriving underground market: theft. Her experiences on The Decline Of Western Civilization Part II would bear fruit when she went on to direct blockbuster comedy Waynes World. It is, instead, the most passionately engaged and compellingly depressing film in the series. There are extended interviews with some of the players, panels on the chapters in the trilogy, and various other features that explore the cultural impact of the Decline saga. Director Penelope Spheeris began filming The Decline of Western Civilization, a documentary about LA's raucous punk community, in 1979. Roughly speaking, it covers parts of the world where the dominant cultural norms originated in Western Europe, including North America . For a movie about the underground punk scene, the . Filmmaker Penelope Spheeris looks back as her L.A. rock trilogy readies itself for a box-set reissue. In the third installment of Penelope Spheeris' "Decline" series, being young in a leather jacket isn't what it used to be. However, it never went into general release and was not available on VHS or DVD until the release in 2015 of a box set containing all three films on DVD and Blu-ray. A look into the Los Angeles punk rock scene, that was largely ignored by the rock music press of the time. At the insistence of her daughter, Anna Fox, who has stayed in touch with many of the subjects in her mothers films, Spheeris undertook an intensive two-year process of digging up and editing archival footage, restoring the movies and shopping for a distributor. Ive never rode a motorcycle or done one single line of cocaine. The Decline of Western Civilization: Directed by Penelope Spheeris. A subscription makes a thoughtful gift for both family and friends. Filmmaker Penelope Spheeris looks back as her L.A. rock trilogy readies itself for a box-set reissue. So, about this time, I was roommates with a DJ, Riki Rachtman, and we started up our own little rock club, The Cathouse, mainly because we wanted to have a party every night but we didnt want to clean up afterwards. Part III arrives with additional interviews with the kids, some behind-the-scenes footage, and a longer version of the conversation with Red Hot Chili Peppers bass player Flea. Blooms tour de force recently celebrated its 25th anniversary. The Decline of Western Civilization III is a 1998 documentary film, directed by Penelope Spheeris, that chronicles the gutter punk lifestyle of homeless teenagers. These are, in many ways, the bastard children of Darby Crash. Just talking about it makes Spheeris turn existential, as if she were describing an abandoned child or an old lover. Movie Info. The Decline of Western Civilization Part III (1998). A couple of years ago I moved out to Las Vegas. The soundtrack was released in December 1980 by Slash Records on LP. "I'm an abortion that couldn't get paid for." Id never written my mom a letter. It was a terrible burden to have, to have everybody asking for all these years. And that has kind of evolved into my current band, Spiders And Snakes, where weve really embraced our seventies roots. I remember driving down Sunset Strip in my car, seeing all these strangely dressed people spilling out on to the sidewalk. I actually met that one asian dude "Troll" about a year ago..me and my friend were looking for a ghetto ass backyard show in L.A because they posted the wrong directions on facebook..the troll dude came up to my car and asked if we knew where the show was at but we didn't at the time..about 10min later we found out where it was and started driving. A disturbing social commentary on homeless . Check them out. But I like that it's done. These are the writers who know the great truth that the first requirement in fighting something is to understand it. In the UK alone, he has written for Smash Hits, Q, Mojo, The Sunday Times, Radio Times, Classic Rock, HiFi News and more. The second consideration depicts its slow decline with the internal problems like slow economic growth, unemployment, stagnant population, government shortfall, deteriorating work ethic, crime, and . England and Wales company registration number 2008885. I wouldnt have changed it for nothin in the world. Penelope Spheeris began her career in the early '80s with The Decline of Western Civilization, an aggressively political and energetic chronicle of the late '70s L.A. punk scene featuring bands like Black Flag, X, and The Circle Jerks. "In a dying civilization, political prestige is the reward not of the shrewdest politician, but of the man with the best bedside manner. The original Decline contains rare footage of the Germs live and Black Flag at their squat, the second finds Ozzy Osbourne making breakfast and Aerosmith living soberly and the third focuses on smaller bands of homeless punks who somehow manage to meet up for practice. By the time Penelope interviewed us for Decline we were one of the hottest bands on the Strip. Strip away the glam, theres little else. The documentary earned Spheeris the opportunity to direct This is Spinal Tap, which she turned down because she didn't want to mock her beloved heavy metal.She chose to make Decline II: The . Nadir DPriest: In the mid-eighties a lot of other bands saw us as a threat because we had such great ideas. And we faked the spilling of the orange juice. Germs singer Darby Crash appears on the soundtrack album cover. For Spheeris, it's also a testament to how she grew up. Now I was intrigued. The cut- and-paste editing, harsh lighting and seat-of-the-pants production that made the first film's technique a perfect reflection of its content have been replaced by MTV-era aesthetics. But it caused all kinds of problems. It continued to dominate the cultural discussion for years after its publication. Civilization" on their Victory medal.3 "Western civilization" would be a good idea, in other words, if we were sure where to find it. 1912: The Republic of China - Fueled by western-educated revolutionary Sun Yat-Sen, the Xinhai . That was our first show together. I just knew I had to make another film, about these people. Muslims were introduced to modern Western philosophy during the time of Western colonization, when they were not emotionally or mentally ready to absorb it and were generally skeptical of anything Western. Its still active today. 1. BA1 1UA. Cause alot of people here had the answers to your questions. "It turned out beyond my expectations," she says of the box set. But Ozzys one of the funniest people alive. In fact, the Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates banned the film from screening in LA after its midnight premiere in 1981. The movie is about the Los Angeles punk rock scene and was directed by Penelope Spheeris. All rights reserved. Use Next and Previous buttons to navigate. Guitarist Lizzie Grey (born Stephen Perry) was the bands linchpin, while Nadir DPriest, aka Nadir Munoz, was their frontman during the Decline period. In the first week we had twenty people look at it, and a year or two later were were getting twenty-five thousand a day. 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